The Traitors, Apple AI, and the Church and State divide

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Natalie Garrett

Natalie produces and narrates The Seen & Unseen Aloud podcast. She's an Anglican minister and a trained actor.

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BBC.

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This week we delve, with Jonathan Rowlands, into the world of BBC's hit TV show The Traitors; Jenny Lander questions Apple AI's morality and Jack Chisnall asks why at this Inauguration Day, the 'Church and State' separation just can't hold.

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20 October 2025

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A wild Belle, Sarah Mullally and 'defending our girls'.

New episode: listen to articles by Jonathan Evens, George Pitcher, and Belle Tindall.

Natalie Garrett

Natalie produces and narrates The Seen & Unseen Aloud podcast. She's an Anglican minister and a trained actor.

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An asylum hotel protester, Epping.

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About this episode

In this episode, Jonathan Evens takes us to Union Chapel where Natalie Bergman's soul-soaked set turned personal tragedy into communal celebration. George Pitcher evokes historical precedent for why Sarah Mullally’s appointment as Archbishop of Canterbury is about more than just breaking the stained-glass ceiling. And Belle Tindall passionately suggests that “Defending our girls” is less about safety, more about scapegoating (please be aware of potentially triggering content in this last article).