The Traitors, Apple AI, and the Church and State divide

The latest Seen & Unseen Podcast episode. Listen to narrated articles, for when you want to be hands-free.

Natalie Garrett

Natalie produces and narrates The Seen & Unseen Aloud podcast. She's an Anglican minister and a trained actor.

A TV show presenter looks imposing between two hooded figures.

BBC.

Listen now

This week we delve, with Jonathan Rowlands, into the world of BBC's hit TV show The Traitors; Jenny Lander questions Apple AI's morality and Jack Chisnall asks why at this Inauguration Day, the 'Church and State' separation just can't hold.

Join with us - Behind the Seen

Seen & Unseen is free for everyone and is made possible through the generosity of our amazing community of supporters.

If you’re enjoying Seen & Unseen, would you consider making a gift towards our work?

Alongside other benefits (book discounts etc.), you’ll receive an extra fortnightly email from me sharing what I’m reading and my reflections on the ideas that are shaping our times.

Graham Tomlin

Editor-in-Chief

Find out more and sign up

Podcast

Podcasts

Seen & Unseen Aloud

7 July 2025

1 min read

Lewis Capaldi, angels, and Istanbul neighbours

This week: we welcome Lewis Capaldi back, meet some angels called Melanie and Dave, and get a letter from Istanbul.

Natalie Garrett

Natalie produces and narrates The Seen & Unseen Aloud podcast. She's an Anglican minister and a trained actor.

A singer leans back from the mic smiling

Capaldi revels in his return.

Listen now

About this episode

This week, Jessica Norman welcomes Lewis Capaldi back to the Glastonbury stage; George Pitcher introduces us to some Angels called Melanie and Dave; and Becky Ruth writes us a letter from Istanbul and talks neighbours.

Support this podcast

Since Spring 2023, thousands of people have enjoyed hundreds of podcast episodes and over 1,500 articles.

All for free.

This is made possible through the generosity of our amazing community of supporters.

If you enjoy Seen & Unseen Aloud, would you consider making a gift towards our work?

Do so by joining Behind The Seen. Alongside other benefits, you’ll receive an extra fortnightly email from me sharing my reading and reflections on the ideas that are shaping our times.

Graham Tomlin
Editor-in-Chief

Pledge now