Seen & Unseen Aloud: new episode

Humility and leadership - a weird but essential combo. Plus the outliers.

Natalie Garrett

Natalie produces and narrates The Seen & Unseen Aloud podcast. She's an Anglican minister and a trained actor.

The Pope, wearing white, kneels, crades a bare foot, and kisses it.

Pope Francis kisses the foot of a woman inmate of the Rebibbia prison.

Vatican Media.

Listen now

This week we think about leadership and humility as unlikely but essential bedfellows: Roger Bretherton exhorts us to look out for the outliers who bring something unique to the group; Graham Tomlin learns about humble leadership from Pope Francis and Elizabeth Wainwright calls out for a new style of leadership in a year of local, national and international elections.

Podcast

Podcasts

Seen & Unseen Aloud

15 September 2025

1 min read

We need nuance, and theology, plus the summer we turned romantic

Listen to Graham Tomlin, Henna Cundill, and Belle Tindall articles.

Natalie Garrett

Natalie produces and narrates The Seen & Unseen Aloud podcast. She's an Anglican minister and a trained actor.

A woman in a white dress stand in front of a large floral arrangement.

Listen now

About this episode

This week -, Graham Tomlin suggests we have much to learn about nuanced cultural debate from the writers of the Nicene Creed; Henna Cundill agrees as she explores how helpful studying theology is for encouraging compassionate, engaged debate in all spheres of life; Belle Tindall takes a deep dive into humanity's propensity for romance and marriage.

Support Seen & Unseen

Since Spring 2023, thousands of people have enjoyed hundreds of podcast episodes and over 1,500 articles.

All for free.

This is made possible through the generosity of our amazing community of supporters.

If you enjoy Seen & Unseen Aloud, would you consider making a gift towards our work?

Do so by joining Behind The Seen. Alongside other benefits, you’ll receive an extra fortnightly email from me sharing my reading and reflections on the ideas that are shaping our times.

Graham Tomlin
Editor-in-Chief