The Traitors, Apple AI, and the Church and State divide

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Natalie Garrett

Natalie produces and narrates The Seen & Unseen Aloud podcast. She's an Anglican minister and a trained actor.

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This week we delve, with Jonathan Rowlands, into the world of BBC's hit TV show The Traitors; Jenny Lander questions Apple AI's morality and Jack Chisnall asks why at this Inauguration Day, the 'Church and State' separation just can't hold.

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30 June 2025

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Prisons, spotless minds and more

New episodes: prison's impact on families, The Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind, and a culture of death.

Nick Jones

Nick is the senior editor of Seen & Unseen.

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About this episode

This week, Daniel Bey shares with us four things he's learnt from working with prisoners. Beatrice Scudeler has discovered Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind 20 years on and unearths helpful wisdom for her own trauma. Graham Tomlin asks what will stop the culture of death that libertarian Britain has embraced?

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