The Traitors, Apple AI, and the Church and State divide

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Natalie Garrett

Natalie produces and narrates The Seen & Unseen Aloud podcast. She's an Anglican minister and a trained actor.

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This week we delve, with Jonathan Rowlands, into the world of BBC's hit TV show The Traitors; Jenny Lander questions Apple AI's morality and Jack Chisnall asks why at this Inauguration Day, the 'Church and State' separation just can't hold.

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16 June 2025

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The ABC, Bear, and following fashion

New episode, why appointing an archbishop takes time, Bear Grylls's new book, and whither Anna Wintour is a moral compass.

Natalie Garrett

Natalie produces and narrates The Seen & Unseen Aloud podcast. She's an Anglican minister and a trained actor.

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About the episode.

This week we hear from Graham Tomlin explaining why it seems like the Church of England is taking ages to appoint a new Archbishop of Canterbury; Bear Grylls gives us a personal introduction to his new book, The Greatest Story Ever Told and Alexandra Kytka-Sharpe dives into the world of fashion to find out whether or not Anna Wintour should be our moral compass.

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