The Traitors, Apple AI, and the Church and State divide

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Natalie Garrett

Natalie produces and narrates The Seen & Unseen Aloud podcast. She's an Anglican minister and a trained actor.

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This week we delve, with Jonathan Rowlands, into the world of BBC's hit TV show The Traitors; Jenny Lander questions Apple AI's morality and Jack Chisnall asks why at this Inauguration Day, the 'Church and State' separation just can't hold.

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Taylor Swift; the ABC & the Anti-Christ

New episode; listen to articles by Belle Tindall, Graham Tomlin, and Jack Nicholson.

Natalie Garrett

Natalie produces and narrates The Seen & Unseen Aloud podcast. She's an Anglican minister and a trained actor.

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About this episode

This episode takes us from Belle Tindall's review of Taylor Swift's new album, via Jack Nicholson talking about Peter Thiel and the Anti-Christ, to Graham Tomlin's advice to the new Archbishop of Canterbury.