Seen & Unseen Aloud: summer special

When the journey is the destination; the case for holidays, and getting the best out of downtime.

Natalie Garrett

Natalie produces and narrates The Seen & Unseen Aloud podcast. She's an Anglican minister and a trained actor.

A pair of sunglasses beside a swimming pool.

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In this summer box set special, Jamie Mulvaney thinks about third spaces and when the journey is the destination; Natalie Garrett makes a case for taking a holiday and Roger Bretherton talks us through how to get the best out of our downtime.

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Seen & Unseen Aloud

5 May 2025

1 min read

Laughing, unruliness, and diplomacy

Jonny Torrance: we’re less in control than we think; Henna Cundill: AI will never codify the exceptions. And Jamie Mulvaney ask what's the right backdrop for diplomacy.

Natalie Williams

Natalie is the chief executive of Jubilee+ and an author.

A group of comedians pose on a TV show set.

On this Bank Holiday Monday, Jonny Torrance comments on Last One Laughing, deciding we’re less in control than we think; Henna Cundill suggests that AI will never codify the many unruly exceptions to rules as they are what make us human; Jamie Mulvaney asks whether or not a funeral is the appropriate backdrop for diplomacy.