Seen & Unseen Aloud: new episode

Humility and leadership - a weird but essential combo. Plus the outliers.

Natalie Garrett

Natalie produces and narrates The Seen & Unseen Aloud podcast. She's an Anglican minister and a trained actor.

The Pope, wearing white, kneels, crades a bare foot, and kisses it.

Pope Francis kisses the foot of a woman inmate of the Rebibbia prison.

Vatican Media.

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This week we think about leadership and humility as unlikely but essential bedfellows: Roger Bretherton exhorts us to look out for the outliers who bring something unique to the group; Graham Tomlin learns about humble leadership from Pope Francis and Elizabeth Wainwright calls out for a new style of leadership in a year of local, national and international elections.

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Death & life

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Re-enchanting

30 June 2025

1 min read

Why my daughter's death changed my life

Nadim Ednan-Laperouse on grief, hope, and an extraordinary spiritual experience

Nick Jones

Nick is the senior editor of Seen & Unseen.

A podcast guest gestures with their hands.

Nadim Ednan-Laperouse.

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About this episode

Nadim Ednan-Laperouse OBE is founder and trustee (along with his wife, Tanya) of The Natasha Allergy Research Foundation – which was established in the name of Nadim and Tanya’s daughter, Natasha, who died as a result of an allergic reaction to a baguette which did not have the correct information on its packaging.

The story of Natasha’s death captured the attention of the nation and is still inspiring invaluable research and change.

Nadim talks to Justin and Belle about Natasha, grief, hope, and the extraordinary spiritual experience that accompanied his daughter's final hours.

Find out more about Nadim.