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Humility and leadership - a weird but essential combo. Plus the outliers.

Natalie Garrett

Natalie produces and narrates The Seen & Unseen Aloud podcast. She's an Anglican minister and a trained actor.

The Pope, wearing white, kneels, crades a bare foot, and kisses it.

Pope Francis kisses the foot of a woman inmate of the Rebibbia prison.

Vatican Media.

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This week we think about leadership and humility as unlikely but essential bedfellows: Roger Bretherton exhorts us to look out for the outliers who bring something unique to the group; Graham Tomlin learns about humble leadership from Pope Francis and Elizabeth Wainwright calls out for a new style of leadership in a year of local, national and international elections.

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Seen & Unseen Aloud

8 September 2025

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Ed Sheeran's Irishness, being school-ready, and Tim Burton's Wednesday

The latest episode of Seen & Unseen Aloud

Natalie Garrett

Natalie produces and narrates The Seen & Unseen Aloud podcast. She's an Anglican minister and a trained actor.

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About this episode

This week, Julia Kendal looks beyond the flags flying to Ed Sheeran's (and our own) sense of national belonging; Henna Cundill asks whether the Education Secretary's new plans will genuinely help our children become school ready and life ready; Lauren Westwood explores Tim Burton's world of the outsider in Netflix's Wednesday.

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