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Humility and leadership - a weird but essential combo. Plus the outliers.

Natalie Garrett

Natalie produces and narrates The Seen & Unseen Aloud podcast. She's an Anglican minister and a trained actor.

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This week we think about leadership and humility as unlikely but essential bedfellows: Roger Bretherton exhorts us to look out for the outliers who bring something unique to the group; Graham Tomlin learns about humble leadership from Pope Francis and Elizabeth Wainwright calls out for a new style of leadership in a year of local, national and international elections.

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Re-enchanting... motherhood - with Chine McDonald

Series 7 starts with Chine McDonald on the myths of motherhood and why it can't be subcontracted out.

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Nick is the senior editor of Seen & Unseen.

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In this episode, Chine talks to Justin and Belle about the myths she has endeavoured to shatter around motherhood, whether or not the task of mothering can be subcontracted out to machines and how God is as much a mother as he is a father.

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