Seen & Unseen Aloud: new episode

Humility and leadership - a weird but essential combo. Plus the outliers.

Natalie Garrett

Natalie produces and narrates The Seen & Unseen Aloud podcast. She's an Anglican minister and a trained actor.

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Pope Francis kisses the foot of a woman inmate of the Rebibbia prison.

Vatican Media.

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This week we think about leadership and humility as unlikely but essential bedfellows: Roger Bretherton exhorts us to look out for the outliers who bring something unique to the group; Graham Tomlin learns about humble leadership from Pope Francis and Elizabeth Wainwright calls out for a new style of leadership in a year of local, national and international elections.

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Re-enchanting

11 June 2025

1 min read

Lamorna Ash: re-enchanting... conversion

Author Lamorna Ash talks to Belle and Justin about her odyssey to discover why so many young people are turning to a faith.

Nick Jones

Nick is the senior editor of Seen & Unseen.

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Lamorna Ash is an award-winning writer and journalist, she’s the author of Dark, Salt, Clear: Life in a Cornish Fishing Town and the brand new Don’t Forget We’re Here Forever: A New Generation’s Search for Religion, both of which have caught a huge amount of attention.

Lamorna tells Belle and Justin about her tour of the UK - why her curiosity caused her to drive the length and breadth of the country, seeking out young adults who have converted to Christianity - and whether, by the end of it, she could count herself as one of them.