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Humility and leadership - a weird but essential combo. Plus the outliers.

Natalie Garrett

Natalie produces and narrates The Seen & Unseen Aloud podcast. She's an Anglican minister and a trained actor.

The Pope, wearing white, kneels, crades a bare foot, and kisses it.

Pope Francis kisses the foot of a woman inmate of the Rebibbia prison.

Vatican Media.

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This week we think about leadership and humility as unlikely but essential bedfellows: Roger Bretherton exhorts us to look out for the outliers who bring something unique to the group; Graham Tomlin learns about humble leadership from Pope Francis and Elizabeth Wainwright calls out for a new style of leadership in a year of local, national and international elections.

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Visionaries

22 August 2025

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Visionaries: why Julian of Norwich still resonates today

Claire Gilbert and the GodPod hosts on the profound medieval mystic

Nick Jones

Nick is the senior editor of Seen & Unseen.

A statue of a Medieval women wearing a headscarf, and holding a book inscribed: revelation of divine love.o

Julian of Norwich, sculpted by David Holgate, Norwich Cathedral.

Poliphilo, CC0, via Wikimedia Commons.

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In this episode of GodPod’s Visionaries series, we delve into the profound teachings of Julian of Norwich, as explored through the lens of Dr Claire Gilbert's novel I, Julian.

We uncover the spiritual insights of this medieval mystic, whose visions and writings continue to resonate in today's world. Discover how Julian's reflections on divine love, suffering, and the promise that "all shall be well" offer timeless wisdom and hope.

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