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Humility and leadership - a weird but essential combo. Plus the outliers.

Natalie Garrett

Natalie produces and narrates The Seen & Unseen Aloud podcast. She's an Anglican minister and a trained actor.

The Pope, wearing white, kneels, crades a bare foot, and kisses it.

Pope Francis kisses the foot of a woman inmate of the Rebibbia prison.

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This week we think about leadership and humility as unlikely but essential bedfellows: Roger Bretherton exhorts us to look out for the outliers who bring something unique to the group; Graham Tomlin learns about humble leadership from Pope Francis and Elizabeth Wainwright calls out for a new style of leadership in a year of local, national and international elections.

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Re-enchanting

26 November 2025

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Re-enchanting... waiting - Rich Villodas

Belle and Justin talk Advent and waiting with author and pastor Rich Vallodas.

Nick Jones

Nick is the senior editor of Seen & Unseen.

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About this episode

Rich Villodas is the Brooklyn-born lead pastor of New Life Fellowship in New York City. He is the author of several books including the award winning Deeply Formed Life.

He joins Belle and Justin to talk about his new book Waiting For Jesus - An Advent Invitation to Prayer and Renewal.