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Humility and leadership - a weird but essential combo. Plus the outliers.

Natalie Garrett

Natalie produces and narrates The Seen & Unseen Aloud podcast. She's an Anglican minister and a trained actor.

The Pope, wearing white, kneels, crades a bare foot, and kisses it.

Pope Francis kisses the foot of a woman inmate of the Rebibbia prison.

Vatican Media.

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This week we think about leadership and humility as unlikely but essential bedfellows: Roger Bretherton exhorts us to look out for the outliers who bring something unique to the group; Graham Tomlin learns about humble leadership from Pope Francis and Elizabeth Wainwright calls out for a new style of leadership in a year of local, national and international elections.

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16 July 2025

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Beyoncé, reality, and The Four Seasons

The idolatry of Queen B, we may be extinguishing reality, and what does it mean to live a full life?

Natalie Garrett

Natalie produces and narrates The Seen & Unseen Aloud podcast. She's an Anglican minister and a trained actor.

Beyonce marches along a stage catwalk as photographers stare from below.

Taking to the stage.

Beyoncé.com.

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About this episode

In today's episode, Lauren Windle goes to a Beyoncé concert and contemplates the idolatry of Queen B; Simon Burton-Jones explores how we may be extinguishing reality; and Giles Gough watches The Four Seasons and Dying for Sex to find the most common question of humanity: “what does it mean to live a full life?”

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