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Re-enchanting
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Re-Enchanting podcast, by Seen & Unseen

Re-enchanting culture, politics, the arts, the sciences, history, and so much more.

Nick is the senior editor of Seen & Unseen.

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Dame Sue Black, recording an episode at Lambeth Palace Library.

About Re-Enchanting

The Re-Enchanting podcast sees hosts Justin Brierley and Belle Tindall talk with guests about how Christianity can re-enchant culture, politics, the arts, the sciences, history, and so much more.

Despite the increasingly scientific and secular age we live in, many people are still searching for a bigger story to live by. The podcast feature a mix of guests - both with and without faith - and explore how those who have tired of modern materialism are the ones seeking to 're-enchant' the world. This podcast is about tracing their journey and work.

The series so far

Series seven featured Chine McDonald, Alex Evans, Lamorna Ash, Graham Tomlin, Nadim Ednan-Laperouse, Donna Freitas, Ross Douthat, Bear Grylls, and two special episodes recorded in front of live festival audiences at Bradford Literature Festival and Wildfires. 

Series six featured Les Isaac, Rupert Shortt, Sue Black, Johnathan Wittenberg, Jo Swinney, Andrew Davison, Kate Flaherty, John Mark Reynolds, Tyler Staton, and Esther Maria Magnis.

Series five featured Alex O'Conner, NT Wright, Krish Kandiah, Talia Dean, Jack Palmer-White, Zoe Clark-Coates, Siku, Sarah Irving-Stonebraker, Claire Gilbert, and Francis Collins.

Series four featured Joshua Luke Smith, Elizabeth Oldfield, Holly Ordway, Michael Ward, Rasool Berry, Luke Bretherton, Ben Sixsmith, Karen Swallow Prior, Iain McGilchrist, and Nick Spencer.

Series three featured Rory Stewart, Helen Lewis, Martin Shaw, Sabina Alkire, David Bennett, Lauren Windle, Milton Jones, Jessica Oyelowo, and Lisa Fields.

Series two featured Esau McCaulley, Kate Bowler, Ros Picard, Suzannah Lipscomb, Glen Scrivener, Chine McDonald, Esme Partridge and Yaroslav Walker, Molly Worthen, and Frank Skinner.

Series one featured Cishal Mangalwadi, Katherine Birbalsingh, Paul Kingsnorth, Marilynne Robinson,  Michael Hastings, Louise Perry, Ton Holland, Jennifer Wiseman, Francis Spufford, and Graham Tomlin.

About the hosts and venue

Belle Tindall is a staff writer for Seen & Unseen, the podcast's parent title. Find out more about her and read her articles.

Justin Brierley is a successful broadcaster and pioneering podcaster. Find out more about his work.

Episodes are recorded in the Bancroft Room at the top of Lambeth Palace Library in London. Explore the collection and the building.

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Atheism
Belief
Creed
4 min read

Atheism discovers Christianity — just not the inconvenient bits

When sceptics start praising faith for its vibes and values, you know the secular ship is taking on water

Jonah Horne is a priest, living and working in Devon.

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Steve Bartlett and guests discuss belief.
Diary of a CEO.

Atheism in the age of authenticity and self-expressive secularism is inherently cannibalistic. I’m not suggesting that Dawkins, Harris and Hitchens are losing their minds and devouring one another. But what I am proposing is that atheism, held within today’s philosophical waters, cannot not affirm the thing it so vehemently denies: faith. 

There’s a fascinating moment in a round table conversation with Steven Bartlett (Diary of a CEO) and Alex O’Connor (Cosmic Skeptic). The former presents a case of his friend whose life is radically changed when he becomes a Christian. In some senses it’s a classic despair to hope story. Bartlett concludes by asking O’Connor “what would you say to this friend?” The answer that follows flawed me. O’Conor, an ardent atheist, responds by essentially saying “if these things work, then I’d encourage him to continue doing them.” 

In a similar vein, last year Richard Dawkins professed his faith in cultural Christianity. Dawkin’s well documented and fresh alignment with Christianity is accordingly founded upon its ‘fundamental decency.’ Which just to be clear, according to the biologist, is very unlike Islam. Sadly, his newfound respect hasn’t prohibited New Atheism’s inherent Islamaphobia, it just seems to be masquerading in more sympathetic clothing. 

Amongst these stories and other examples there seems to be a resurgence, or at least a growing respect, in Christian religion and faith. This can also be seen in church attendance and statistics around those professing faith. And whilst Dawkin’s move away from religious degradation towards cultural affirmation can, in some senses, be welcomed; there is an inherent flaw in both his and O’Connor’s perspectives when held in light of Christianity’s central claims. 

For O’Connor, Christianity is seemingly commendable if it leads to self-actualisation, self- fulfilment and a privatised sense of hope. From O’Connor’s atheistic vantage point, the goal of the human is self-actualisation. When confronted by Christianity as a means of this fulfilment, his philosophical stance begins to eat itself. Similarly, for Dawkins, Christianity is a useful tool for the construction and preservation of Western societies. As our country goes through rapid change and our cities exponentially expand in size and multiculturalism Dawkins finds himself affirming the faith he so enthusiastically mocked as a means of security. His atheism inevitably eats itself. 

Whilst different, Christianity in both of these cases is used as a crutch. The faith becomes a prop either for societal betterment or self-fulfilment: it is a reductive perspective that views Christianity as the best truth amongst other truths on offer. It approaches religion as a pick-n-mix sweet shop, with Christianity currently the best flavour. 

However, for Christians, their faith is not a truth amongst other truths, it is the truth. It is not primarily reasoned, discovered or affirmed upon positive reviews but is fundamentally revealed to us and encouraged by a Triune God of love. Reason, positive societal change and personal fulfilment are not bad things in of themselves but when approaching Jesus, they are utterly secondary. This revelation, when fully recognised, reveals O’Connor and Dawkin’s understandings of Christianity as inherently stunted. For O’Connor his affirmation of faith, when positively leading to self-actualisation, would struggle to reckon with St. Stephen’s death found in the book of Acts. The first Christian martyr pleaded for God’s mercy upon his murderers as they launched stones at him. His faith led to incredible courage in the face of intense violence but I’m not entirely sure you could say it led to a widely accepted notion of self-actualisation. For Dawkin’s his affirmation, of Christianity as a pillar for society, should be held in light of the early church’s teachings on radical hospitality, their startling financial generosity and the faith’s ongoing care for the alien or foreigner. This, I would contend, would unsettle the biologist’s divorce of culture and faith. 

The challenge for Christians when confronted by seemingly positive reactions from historically antagonistic voices is to refuse the subtle domestication of the ancient faith. I appreciate O’Connor’s openness to the Christianity and I commend Dawkin’s softening tone. However, their self-defeating and cannibalistic atheism can only affirm Christianity as crutch for their own agendas. They concede defeat but on their own terms. Their vision accepts a partial understanding of following Jesus, an understanding that has been moderated and regulated to fit into their preconceived philosophical and societal agendas. However, for Christians, Jesus is not someone who affirms our predetermined frameworks but instead devastates our self-obsessive tendencies and overwhelms our insecurities with a profound love best revealed in his life, death and resurrection. This realisation is ultimately revealed to us, not on our terms but received freely as a gift. It is given, not grasped or owned, but received.

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