Jonathan Pageau: re-enchanting just about everything

Belle and Justin talk with Jonathan about the symbolic patterns that underlie our experience of the world.

Nick Jones

Nick is the senior editor of Seen & Unseen.

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Jonathan Pageau is a French Canadian icon carver, public speaker and YouTuber exploring the symbolic patterns that underlie our experience of the world. He's also the editor of the Orthodox Arts Journal and host of the Symbolic World blog and podcast.

Jonathan is also known for his friendship with Jordan Peterson, another thinker invested in symbolism, psychology and pointing people back to Christianity as the modern West navigates a ‘meaning crisis’.

Jonathan talk to Justin and Belle about meaning, symbolism, atheism and the meaning crisis as we ask whether we can re-enchant… just about everything!

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Beyoncé, reality, and The Four Seasons

The idolatry of Queen B, we may be extinguishing reality, and what does it mean to live a full life?

Natalie Garrett

Natalie produces and narrates The Seen & Unseen Aloud podcast. She's an Anglican minister and a trained actor.

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About this episode

In today's episode, Lauren Windle goes to a Beyoncé concert and contemplates the idolatry of Queen B; Simon Burton-Jones explores how we may be extinguishing reality; and Giles Gough watches The Four Seasons and Dying for Sex to find the most common question of humanity: “what does it mean to live a full life?”

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