Jonathan Pageau: re-enchanting just about everything

Belle and Justin talk with Jonathan about the symbolic patterns that underlie our experience of the world.

Nick Jones

Nick is the senior editor of Seen & Unseen.

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Jonathan Pageau is a French Canadian icon carver, public speaker and YouTuber exploring the symbolic patterns that underlie our experience of the world. He's also the editor of the Orthodox Arts Journal and host of the Symbolic World blog and podcast.

Jonathan is also known for his friendship with Jordan Peterson, another thinker invested in symbolism, psychology and pointing people back to Christianity as the modern West navigates a ‘meaning crisis’.

Jonathan talk to Justin and Belle about meaning, symbolism, atheism and the meaning crisis as we ask whether we can re-enchant… just about everything!

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Lewis Capaldi, angels, and Istanbul neighbours

This week: we welcome Lewis Capaldi back, meet some angels called Melanie and Dave, and get a letter from Istanbul.

Natalie Garrett

Natalie produces and narrates The Seen & Unseen Aloud podcast. She's an Anglican minister and a trained actor.

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Capaldi revels in his return.

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This week, Jessica Norman welcomes Lewis Capaldi back to the Glastonbury stage; George Pitcher introduces us to some Angels called Melanie and Dave; and Becky Ruth writes us a letter from Istanbul and talks neighbours.

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