Jonathan Pageau: re-enchanting just about everything

Belle and Justin talk with Jonathan about the symbolic patterns that underlie our experience of the world.

Nick Jones

Nick is the senior editor of Seen & Unseen.

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Jonathan Pageau is a French Canadian icon carver, public speaker and YouTuber exploring the symbolic patterns that underlie our experience of the world. He's also the editor of the Orthodox Arts Journal and host of the Symbolic World blog and podcast.

Jonathan is also known for his friendship with Jordan Peterson, another thinker invested in symbolism, psychology and pointing people back to Christianity as the modern West navigates a ‘meaning crisis’.

Jonathan talk to Justin and Belle about meaning, symbolism, atheism and the meaning crisis as we ask whether we can re-enchant… just about everything!

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Superman, the seaside, and the Salt Path

The new Superman movie; to be beside the seaside, and what it feels like to be scammed.

Natalie Garrett

Natalie produces and narrates The Seen & Unseen Aloud podcast. She's an Anglican minister and a trained actor.

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About this episode

This week, Yaroslav Walker gives us his thoughts on the new Superman movie; Paul Bradbury talks about why we all like to be beside the seaside, and why it's good for us; in the wake of the Salt Path revelations, Susan Gray explores the feelings we experience when we've been taken in, or scammed.

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