Jonathan Pageau: re-enchanting just about everything

Belle and Justin talk with Jonathan about the symbolic patterns that underlie our experience of the world.

Nick Jones

Nick is the senior editor of Seen & Unseen.

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Jonathan Pageau is a French Canadian icon carver, public speaker and YouTuber exploring the symbolic patterns that underlie our experience of the world. He's also the editor of the Orthodox Arts Journal and host of the Symbolic World blog and podcast.

Jonathan is also known for his friendship with Jordan Peterson, another thinker invested in symbolism, psychology and pointing people back to Christianity as the modern West navigates a ‘meaning crisis’.

Jonathan talk to Justin and Belle about meaning, symbolism, atheism and the meaning crisis as we ask whether we can re-enchant… just about everything!

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20 October 2025

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A wild Belle, Sarah Mullally and 'defending our girls'.

New episode: listen to articles by Jonathan Evens, George Pitcher, and Belle Tindall.

Natalie Garrett

Natalie produces and narrates The Seen & Unseen Aloud podcast. She's an Anglican minister and a trained actor.

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An asylum hotel protester, Epping.

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About this episode

In this episode, Jonathan Evens takes us to Union Chapel where Natalie Bergman's soul-soaked set turned personal tragedy into communal celebration. George Pitcher evokes historical precedent for why Sarah Mullally’s appointment as Archbishop of Canterbury is about more than just breaking the stained-glass ceiling. And Belle Tindall passionately suggests that “Defending our girls” is less about safety, more about scapegoating (please be aware of potentially triggering content in this last article).