Alex Warren, third spaces, and lessons in leadership

New episode: listen as we explore a chart topper, a hip gym and leading with humility.

Natalie Garrett

Natalie produces and narrates The Seen & Unseen Aloud podcast. She's an Anglican minister and a trained actor.

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Warren on stage.

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This week, Ed Chan-Stroud explores Alex Warren's song Ordinary for signs of the fundamentals of human longing; Jessica Norman goes to a Third Space gym and thinks about the cost of belonging, and Graham Tomlin was at Pope Leo's inauguration and shares with us what he noticed.

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4 June 2025

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Thinking Aloud with Seen & Unseen Aloud

Our latest boxset series allows you to dig deeper into some of our most popular articles.

Natalie Garrett

Natalie produces and narrates The Seen & Unseen Aloud podcast. She's an Anglican minister and a trained actor.

Prince William talks with the Dean of Westminster Abbey, 2019.

Episode 1: Miranda Hart's diagnosis of the unseen, by Belle Tindall

In this episode, Seen & Unseen’s Belle Tindall reviews Miranda Hart’s book, I Haven't Been Entirely Honest With You. Belle reckons that beyond the medical illness, the tears and the laughter, Miranda’s onto something supernatural.

Episode 2: Prince William's doubt is normal, by Graham Tomlin

In this episode, Graham Tomlin considers that Prince William's doubt is normal, that our limited human understanding means it's impossible to be certain whether there is a God.

Episode 3: The case for taking a holiday, by Roger Bretherton

In this episode, Roger Bretherton, a Clinical and Coaching Psychologist and regular contributor to Seen & Unseen, helps us work out how to get the best time out of our downtime as he unpacks the joys and perils of taking time out for summer holidays.