Alex Warren, third spaces, and lessons in leadership

New episode: listen as we explore a chart topper, a hip gym and leading with humility.

Natalie Garrett

Natalie produces and narrates The Seen & Unseen Aloud podcast. She's an Anglican minister and a trained actor.

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Warren on stage.

Mike M. Cohen, CC BY 3.0, via Wikimedia Commons.

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This week, Ed Chan-Stroud explores Alex Warren's song Ordinary for signs of the fundamentals of human longing; Jessica Norman goes to a Third Space gym and thinks about the cost of belonging, and Graham Tomlin was at Pope Leo's inauguration and shares with us what he noticed.

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Death & life

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Re-enchanting

30 June 2025

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Why my daughter's death changed my life

Nadim Ednan-Laperouse on grief, hope, and an extraordinary spiritual experience

Nick Jones

Nick is the senior editor of Seen & Unseen.

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Nadim Ednan-Laperouse.

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About this episode

Nadim Ednan-Laperouse OBE is founder and trustee (along with his wife, Tanya) of The Natasha Allergy Research Foundation – which was established in the name of Nadim and Tanya’s daughter, Natasha, who died as a result of an allergic reaction to a baguette which did not have the correct information on its packaging.

The story of Natasha’s death captured the attention of the nation and is still inspiring invaluable research and change.

Nadim talks to Justin and Belle about Natasha, grief, hope, and the extraordinary spiritual experience that accompanied his daughter's final hours.

Find out more about Nadim.